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Post  Tecuani on Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:32 am

Hmmm, I wonder how this will work out: the VK30.01H with the 50/30 mm none-sloped armour as a T5 heavy tank....it will get "re-balanced" also....

The VK36.01 will be branded as a heavy also, which might be fine but I have little doubt that the Konisch will be nerfed as part of the rebalancing...

http://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/44/version-88-sneak-peek/

As if there were not enough mediums to be research the VK30.02 M is added which looks quit like the D.

I am afraid I will never get to a T8-9 German medium like this silent affraid

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Re: VK 30.01 H and such...8.8

Post  BadGene616 on Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:08 am

The VK3001H is - I can categorically state - a piece of shit.

However, if they treat it as an up-armored Pz IV with a baby 88 on, it's going to be a troll beast at tier 5.

The Konish has already been nerfed to be honest - used to do more damage I'm sure with gold ammo.

Buffed for normal ammo I admit, but still.

VK36.01h has been talked about as a heavy for at least 6 months, and to be honest it plays like a light heavy already. That's surely just a re-branding exercise?

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Post  Tecuani on Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:43 pm

Hmmm, most likely I keep on playing them anyway Very Happy for sure if the VK3601 plays more or less the same.

I was just disapointed that one of my mediums will be set back, new one added. For me there seems no progress anymore in the German line, specially because of being offline due to work every so often....

Oh, and I thought trolling is generally a bad thing but you make it sound like it's good... I will sign up with BooBs class on advanced trolling since I come to the conclusion I don't really know what trolling means.

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Post  zed22 on Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:23 pm

i'm worried about tier 9 MT of ussr because they didn't tell anything and some user say they will move kv 13 to tier 9 w:silent: (i won't see IS line if 8.8 come and force to start from tier 2 again Sad  if it happen )
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Post  Khul on Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:41 am

They have, hilariously, nerfed the VK36 into the ground.

As your job is still going to be killing all those KV1-S's, that job is going to get immeasurably harder now you're as slow & wieldy as a T150 with asthma. Yet you have the ability to inflict a mighty 135 points of damage per shot! & that extra 100 hp is going to be useful, now a KV1-S can literally run rings around you!

Why, that equates to one more shot you can absorb! Which, as you're realistically in combat situations capable of quarter less speed (& more to the point, it now changes direction at the speed of tectonic plate drift), you better get used to absorbing.

I think I'm gonna flog mine. I'm just not sure what to do with the crew...
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Re: VK 30.01 H and such...8.8

Post  nilzatron on Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:01 am

BadGene616 wrote:The Konish has already been nerfed to be honest - used to do more damage I'm sure with gold ammo.

Buffed for normal ammo I admit, but still.
Nope, it used to do 65 for AP and 165 for APCR + increased pen. When they changed it they admitted it was always intended to have 165 damage for AP as well as APCR. My personal theory is they knew about this "bug" for a long time, but did not change it, because they were making money from people spamming gold with the Konisch. Once premium ammo for credits was introduced and they noticed they lost that income, they went and "fixed" it.
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Post  CountOfTuscany on Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:45 am

Khul wrote:They have, hilariously, nerfed the VK36 into the ground.

As your job is still going to be killing all those KV1-S's, that job is going to get immeasurably harder now you're as slow & wieldy as a T150 with asthma. Yet you have the ability to inflict a mighty 135 points of damage per shot! & that extra 100 hp is going to be useful, now a KV1-S can literally run rings around you!

one patch later (patch 8.9) and the VK will not have to solely kill the KV-1s's, because that vehicle will cruise around with a 85mm or 100mm gun instead of the 122mm Laughing 
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Post  BadGene616 on Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:24 am

I'm struggling to understand what the motives behind these changes are.

OK, so they made too many german tier 6 meds. And everyone knows that the VK36.01(h) is the best.

That said, I've been stat watching very closely, and the VK30.01(d) has posted some great scores for people.

However I digress.

General tank doctrine would - one would expect - be reasonably consistent within a particular race/line.

So we have the British Infantry tank - from the Matilda up, slow, fast RoF, decent armor. We have the chinese tanks - either great lights, or poor knock off russian copies, but all with crap engines and gun depression - as examples. (yes, I know these are gross generalisations)

When I started playing, all of 8 months ago, German tanks were reasonably slow, not hugely armored until Tier 8+, with accurate guns, that maybe didn't do massive damage, but had decent pen. The defining feature was the accuracy, so the slightly lower damage didn't matter so much.

But now, everyone seems to be amazingly accurate, even snap shotting KV1S at full pelt. The "german advantage" is basically null and void.

The reasonable speed seems to be getting clubbed into the ground, the VK36.01 first, the entire panther line second.

What IS the point of german tanks now?

Why should one select one over a russian equivalent?

And as for that KV1S with a 100mm or 85mm, just see how the T150 works with that. If the 100mm is anything like the 100mm on the SU100 then it's hardly a nerf to the KV1S. Especially as on of the tanks that could take it on is being nerfed into the ground?

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Post  AndyScouser on Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:47 am

I got the VK30.01H last night, whilst quite a nice medium, how the hell can this be recategorised as a heavy? It has zero armour, literally everything pens it. WTF are WG upto?
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Post  Tecuani on Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:52 pm

Don't forget the non-sloped armor, the one advantage it had (speed) is taken away.

I have one with the crew in 20% in the 2nd skill (it was a tedious task for me!)...that's why I keep it since the crew might be transferred to the Tiger II in a later stage Smile

The way I look at it now it will not fare well in a match with a KV-1. I heard some people say it works when properly angled but with this paper 50 mm flat armor I fail to see how...maybe there was confusion with the 3601 H...

The T IV Luchs has 30mm frontal armor while the Leopard has the same 50 mm but slightly sloped......these are lights!
So a T5 light has the same armor as a T5 heavy....need I say more?
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Re: VK 30.01 H and such...8.8

Post  Sapaki on Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:11 pm

So if I get this right, prior to 8.8 I need to:


  • Research the top engine of the E-75 AND buy it? Or Not?



  • Buy a VK30.01 with 50% crew (only to be sold as soon as I get the new tank)


Amaright or amawrong?
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Post  Vampir_Kifla on Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:05 pm

I personally wouldn't research E-75 engine since you'll only get it sold for full price and get only 25k free XP as compensation (when you spent over 50k).

On the other hand VK3001H is the best buy for now. You'll get a free T6 med + garage slot for it + 100% crew (I'll use them for Leopards Wink )

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Post  Sapaki on Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:08 pm

Yes but you get 25K FREE xp for 50K E-75 exp. Might worth the bargain 50k exp -> 25 Free exp.
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Post  Vampir_Kifla on Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:20 pm

Depends if you need free XP badly. And after some time, you might curse yourself for slowing your E-100 grind.

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Post  nilzatron on Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:55 pm

VK30.01H will have some armour changes too, plus it will get the Konisch (at tier 5!). That was obviously the reason for nerfing the Konisch alpha. I think it will do fine at tier 5.

E-75 just accelerates too slow with the top engine. Given enough flat ground, you might reach 30kph and that's about it. At least it turns quite fast, which will help with adjusting angle quickly. We'll see. Good thing we will get some free xp for that top engine though. I've only unlocked it a week or 2 ago and they were initially talking about not compensating at all.

I think, given a decent 100mm, the KV-1S might even become a better all-rounder for randoms in the end, but it will help make other choices more viable in TC's where everything falls prey to a 2-3 shot 122mm volley now.


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Post  RoninRage on Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:49 am

@KV-1s out of TC's: a cromwell drivers dream will come true. Cromwell wolfpacks FTW!
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Post  AndyScouser on Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:49 pm

After playing several battles in my VK30.01H im quite gutted its moving to a T5 heavy as its actually now my favourite T6 medium, loving it as a bit of a long range sniper support.
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Post  Lycantia on Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:24 am

Yeah, played it some battles myself, and it was a surprisingly good tank.

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Post  Brainfarter on Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:00 pm

Let me just get this straight: If i have the VK3001H in my garage on 8.8-day, i will get it remade to tier V HT? On top of that i will get a tier VI med-tank with 100% crew?

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Post  Vampir_Kifla on Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:39 pm

Brainfarter wrote:Let me just get this straight: If i have the VK3001H in my garage on 8.8-day, i will get it remade to tier V HT? On top of that i will get a tier VI med-tank with 100% crew?

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